In this episode of The Parent Hope Project podcast, host Jenny sits down with family and relationship therapist Avrum Nadigel to talk about what parenting actually does to a marriage — the dual-income grind, the disappearance of extended family support, the sheer logistics of keeping two people connected while keeping small humans alive.

It’s not all doom and gloom though — the conversation closes on real examples of marriages that come through the parenting years stronger, not weaker. Worth a listen if you and your partner have felt more like co-managers than a couple lately.